Fourza Two-Five Round 4 Post-Race

"SVTyler" (svtyler) 02/09/2015 at 18:00 • Filed to: None

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If you've raced in the series or are planning to at some point please read on, there's a lot of housecleaning to discuss this week.

RACE RESULTS:

1st (16pts) : topsirloin (onepoint8turbos), Porsche 914

2nd (15pts) - dr861 (LentAtom9), Datsun 240Z

3rd (14pts) - camaroboy68ss, Chevrolet Corvair

4th (13pts) - Corey CC97, BMW 2002

5th (12pts) - Picky Procyonid (KillerRacoon), Porsche 914

6th (11pts) - SVTyler (mackleroy45), Alfa GTA

7th (10pts) - K-Roll (Cmd Woods), Porsche 914

8th (9pts) - The Honda Man (InfernoVivo), 1980 Fiat 131 Abarth

9th (8pts) - Ly2v8-Brian (Kampfmesser), BMW 2002

CURRENT STANDINGS:

1st (47pts) - Ly2v8-Brian (Kampfmesser)

T2nd (39pts) - SVTyler (mackleroy45) and TheVancen (IXII Wrath IXII)

4th (38pts) - K-Roll (Cmd Woods)

5th (33pts) - The Honda Man (InfernoVivo)

6th (30pts) - camaroboy68ss

7th (27pts) - Corey CC97

8th (26pts) - dr861 (LentAtom9)

9th (23pts) - Parlock3 (AutoFixation)

10th (16pts) - topsirloin (onepoint8turbos)

11th (13pts) - Decay (Decay 107)

T12th (12pts) - P5guy (DarkSlayer6368) and KillerRaccoon (Picky Procyonid)

14th (11pts) - Kyle Cheromcha (datnoise)

15th (10pts) - Tohru (Tohru Rokuno)

16th (9pts) - Travis, Senna of the High Seas (Admiral Rumples)

RACE NOTES:

- First and foremost, this race was way too chippy; contact is kinda inevitable at Infineon but there's a fine line between regular racing incidents like bumper taps and sideswipes and just plain dumb driving. A few people complained about other racers after the race and, not going to name names, there was one person in particular who I watched make extremely dangerous and ill-advised passes all race, a few of which resulted in me being spun twice and a couple other people being knocked off the road altogether.

I'm going to chalk it up to general inexperience instead of willfully erratic driving so it's water under the bridge at this point but next week you have to drive more carefully and be more aware of your surroundings; not every corner should be treated as a passing opportunity. This goes for everyone: stick to your line, no erratic moves, pick your passes wisely, and avoid contact at all costs. This series is ultimately for fun but that does come with some caveats to make it enjoyable for everyone else: follow racing etiquette and take these races seriously if you participate. I don't know what kind of penalties we'll enforce if this shit keeps up but we'll have to do something, it's just not fair to everyone else who races clean and keeps their nose out of trouble only to be taken out by someone who's either not paying attention or driving like a jackass. Consider this your warning.

- Additionally, some people were complaining post-race about the BoP adjustments and the resulting effects they had on overall performance. I really don't know what to tell you, what we do now is honestly the best solution we've found to make things fair for everyone involved. Huge BoP adjustments do not correlate to unfair overall finishing times, just lap times, so unless you have any other ideas we won't be making any other changes other than how you determine your lap times during practice (see the second bullet point down). I'd ask for suggestions but I've been doing that since the beginning of the series and no one's seems to give a shit so I guess we'll just keep it as-is.

-In trying to make this series accessible for everyone the faster dudes are going to have to make some concessions including dropping our own PI and having to deal with slower drivers in the corners which will even out by race's end: the rules benefit drivers who are consistent and who make moves at the right time, which is why you'll see the same five or six dudes in the top 8 or so every week. For everyone else I reiterate: practice, practice, practice. By getting used to the track you'll find a faster line, be more consistent and decrease your lap time deltas, and ultimately not need to add so many PI to match the lap times. Speaking of which...

- Lap times. All but two people were at least a second-and-half faster than the max lap time, something that's happened every week we've done this race. So for next week we're trying a different way of dialing in your car: turn rewind back on while doing your practice laps and use it as much as you can while setting your times. The idea is the max lap time I post should be just that: a perfect time you physically cannot go faster than, not just something you get close to after three semi-decent laps and call it a day. In doing this I hope we won't have people running 2.5 seconds faster than the target time like we did this week.

- Finally, thanks to topsirloin and KillerRaccoon for racing with us this week. This race was a bit of an outlier as far as finishing times and overall race clusterfuckiness go, that's kind of the norm at this point when visiting a new track. Next week with the bigger cars should go a lot better.

Addendum: I don't mean to sound like I'm pissed off or taking things too seriously with this post; these races are the highlight of my week and I want everyone to enjoy them as much as I do, and one of the ways we're going to do that is by making sure everyone follows the rules which in turn makes racing more fair for everyone. Do that and we shouldn't have any further problems.

CURRENT ORLOVE TROPHY STANDINGS:

I didn't catch who all Orlove'd this week so if you did let me know.

Tohru (Tohru Rokuno) - 2

AutoFixation (Parlock3) - 1

Ly2v8-Brian - 1

The Honda Man - 1

HyundaiBroNowHasAMiata - 1

Corey CC97 - 1

UPCOMING RACES:

2/14: A550 @ Infineon

2/21: B450 @ Road Atlanta

ly2v8-Brian > SVTyler 02/09/2015 at 18:03

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Finished last, still first in points. All right!

Tohru > SVTyler 02/09/2015 at 18:20

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I keep having crap come up, but after this weekend I will be in the clear. I have the Chicago Auto Show this week to cover for Upper Midwest Kinja.

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > ly2v8-Brian 02/09/2015 at 18:40

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Hahah, Team Mediocre is still on top! Hey, we should make a Mediocre livery! Or even a sticker.

TheHondaBro > SVTyler 02/09/2015 at 18:43

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I Orlove'd.

Also, the race was very laggy, at least for me. On multiple occasions, ly2v8-Brian went flying high in the air, and contact I couldn't compensate for launched me into the tire wall, and that's how I Orlove'd.

TheHondaBro > ly2v8-Brian 02/09/2015 at 18:44

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Sorry I pitted you in turn 7. I couldn't accurately judge where you were due to lag. Fuck, everyone was bouncing all over the place.

ly2v8-Brian > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 02/09/2015 at 19:09

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My racing speaks volumes :)

ly2v8-Brian > TheHondaBro 02/09/2015 at 19:11

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It doesn't matter I was so far off on setting I had no hope of actually doing anything. If I sounded frustrated it was because I was irritated that nothing I was doing was getting me to go any faster.

SVTyler > TheHondaBro 02/09/2015 at 19:46

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For future reference if there's lag say something immediately so we can restart the race with a new host. I'm getting fiber Internet on Thursday (aww yiss) so it shouldn't be a problem anymore but if it is let us know.

SVTyler > Tohru 02/09/2015 at 19:47

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Awesome man, we'll see you at Road Atlanta then.

TheHondaBro > SVTyler 02/09/2015 at 19:48

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I said so! Did no one hear me?

SVTyler > TheHondaBro 02/09/2015 at 19:52

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I didn't at least, sorry bro. Was it laggy from the start?

TheHondaBro > SVTyler 02/09/2015 at 19:54

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Yeah. The third-or-so turn I collided with some others. It was when someone said their wheel's force feedback started working.

SVTyler > TheHondaBro 02/09/2015 at 20:00

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Well shit, sorry you had to go the whole race like that. Hopefully it doesn't happen again.

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 02/09/2015 at 21:16

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A grey Corolla.

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > SVTyler 02/09/2015 at 21:17

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So for next week we're trying a different way of dialing in your car: turn rewind back on while doing your practice laps and use it as much as you can while setting your times

I wish that could be done in test drive mode. What the hell were they thinking?

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" 02/09/2015 at 21:38

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A beige Camry.

TopSirloin > ly2v8-Brian 02/09/2015 at 22:20

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I didn't have my mic for the race, but I wanted to apologize for pitting you that one time. We were near the back of the pack, and it was early in the race, so hopefully it didn't have much impact on your race. I tried to pull off till you got back in front. We had a second brush up towards the end on a pass that I think set you in to a slide as well but that looked like a random glance that ended up being more than it should have been. Cheers

ly2v8-Brian > TopSirloin 02/09/2015 at 22:24

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Don't sweat it. I was almost four seconds off the pace at my fastest. I was going nowhere fast. Also why would I get upset? In race I may sound frustrated, but none of this matters. All fun!

TopSirloin > SVTyler 02/09/2015 at 22:32

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It was a pleasure racing with y'all and what you guys consider erratic is still downright gentlemanly and polite as far as online racing goes, so I appreciate that, and thanks for having me. I'll do my part to keep things as clean as possible, I know I had a few brush ups that I wish I could have taken back.

As far as contact goes, it seemed like a lot of times (and Infineon may have exacerbated this) people were taking lines that depended on contact to be successful. For example, taking an aggressive inside line that would have never worked if you didn't have a car or group of cars to run into to correct the line. Infineon has some really fast-in/slow-out corners and people are late on braking and just go careening into others to scrub off speed and redirect their line.

I think the max lap approach you're taking this week should be spot on and should level the playing field even more so. I'm hoping I can figure out a way to be there on Saturday. I hate working weekends.

TopSirloin > ly2v8-Brian 02/09/2015 at 22:36

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Alright great.. being new in the series and whatnot I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going around stepping on toes. I could hardly hear what was going on without my headphones anyway.

ly2v8-Brian > TheHondaBro 02/09/2015 at 22:52

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I would guess it was you with the lag, because all the other cars I saw seemed fine but yours.

ly2v8-Brian > TopSirloin 02/09/2015 at 22:54

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If you can get one, it helps you announce your intentions if you make a run.

TopSirloin > ly2v8-Brian 02/09/2015 at 22:57

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I have a set and mic, I just didn't realize that when I switched to using HDMI like a zillion years ago, I needed a different adapter since the set up I had wen through old school AV plug ins. I'll be good to go on Saturday if I can figure out a way to be available.

TheHondaBro > ly2v8-Brian 02/09/2015 at 22:58

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Ugh, my crappy internet has been pretty bad as of late.

SVTyler > RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" 02/10/2015 at 00:11

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I have no idea, T10 missed a lot of little things they could've done in Forza 4 and that's one of them. I'll get the practice time up later this week, should be around 1:45.

SVTyler > TopSirloin 02/10/2015 at 00:38

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I don't know what it was this week, it's never been this bad before even when we raced here in GT cars. Honestly think it was just people trying to take corners too fast and not realizing they couldn't make the turn; problem with the BoP adjustments is that it obviously makes the car faster but that it turn makes it slower to turn in and brake. Combine that with the fact that the people who need big adjustments like that aren't exactly the best drivers to begin with and that's what you get.

TopSirloin > SVTyler 02/10/2015 at 02:10

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I can't imagine what it's like in the A550 class! I've been doing testing and practicing and man oh man these cars are boats. I place handling over just about everything else and these examples just don't handle that well. It's also an interesting adjustment to go from a light, small, spritely Two-Fives car to these big American barges. They get around the corners just fine, but they're all so reluctant and you really have to force them through. Out of curiosity, why was the 1977 Firebird Trans Am left out?

SVTyler > TopSirloin 02/10/2015 at 02:39

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That's what makes them fun though, you have to really drive them to get the best time as compared to the fire-and-forget Two-Five cars. And we decided that we'd just leave in cars from 1965-1973 because that's like the 'classic' Trans-Am era, plus the late 70's cars (King Cobra, Z/28, Firebird) are so much lighter they were unfair during test sessions. People are complaining now about BoP adjustments making cars too quick, IIRC at A550 the Z/28 was like 1.some seconds faster to 60 than the next-fastest car so we figured we should leave it out.

TopSirloin > SVTyler 02/10/2015 at 03:41

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Makes sense.. I went looking for low weight examples and noticed some of the lightweights are left out. Makes sense. I'm finding theres much less difference characteristically between the A550's compared to the 450's. You've really got to dig to find cars that do things better than the others. Nice group.

SVTyler > TopSirloin 02/10/2015 at 05:01

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'65 Mustang and Javelin are the lightest cars you can use. Javelin's actually one of the best-handling cars you can drive, it's ugly af but it can actually put the power down, the Mustang for some reason spins its wheels accelerating out of the corners but it's fast as hell once it hooks up. A550 is definitely my favorite series of the two, there's a lot more uniformity among the bigger cars so the racing's a lot closer and you basically choose whatever car you want and still be competitive, especially if you know how to tune.

TopSirloin > SVTyler 02/10/2015 at 15:10

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the Nova SS is pretty light after all is said and done. It's actually one of my favorite to drive as well. It's manageable and has usable power, and compared to the others is a pretty willing handler.

Autofixation > RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" 02/13/2015 at 14:12

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You have no idea how many times I've mashed the "Y" button in test mode just to have nothing happen, then remember that I am in test mode….. Grrrrr.

Autofixation > SVTyler 02/13/2015 at 14:17

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I found that there are so many wrong ways to take a turn on Infineon. I found myself trail braking just to shift weight a little but mostly trying to carry as much speed to hit apexes that you can't see coming into the corner. There are quite a few blind apexes at Infineon.

SVTyler > Autofixation 02/13/2015 at 15:26

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Yeah those first few corners are tricky as hell. On stock tire compound and width I can't go anywhere near the throttle without spinning so I just float my way through and hope for the best. The last kink on that kinda straightaway before the last corner is another one too, you have no idea where the apex is until you're three feet off it and skidding towards the wall. Infineon seems so simple but it's deceptively hard to put down consistent times.